Book Club Selection – Wishcraft by Barbara Sher February 21, 2009 03:07PM | Admin Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 41 Status: |
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What you want is what you need. Your dearest wish comes straight from your core, loaded with vital information about who you are and who you can become. You’ve got to cherish it. You’ve got to respect it. Above all, you’ve got to have it.
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If you saw a cookie on the table, you didn’t think “Can I get it? Do I deserve it? Will I make a fool of myself? Am I procrastinating again?” You thought, Cookie.
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Blue
I read the intro and first chapter. I have to say I used to be self help book fanatic...but with not much success. You know I don't remember alot about what I was like as a child...not sure I ever was one...I've always been the "little adult" who did as she was told and expected to do and didn't resent it at all. But given that, my job has never defined me and I like to do different ones. I've jokingly told people that I'm my own reason for being. That's arrogance,I suppose, but I've always had a good sense of self. I may fall prey to the bad things people try to say to or about me but there is always a grain of "No, I'm not hidden there somewhere. (How boring)
Who am I?
I'm a comedian...I love making people laugh.
I'm a woman. I like being one and all that goes with it.
I'm a problem solver and have a capacity to love all people.
I'm Southerner and proud to be so...I like the gentelity of it, the soft spoken ways, the comtemplativity of it, the sense of chivalry.
I love singing and music and anything new.
And most of all I love to learn......
Hmmm..(no mention of motherhood or teaching? That is a shocker. I just tried to think of what I am alone unrelated to anyone else. (Girls, if you read this, you know I love you Right? *smiles*)
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I just tried to think of what I am alone unrelated to anyone else.
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Re: Book Club Selection – Wishcraft by Barbara Sher April 05, 2009 07:35AM | Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 1,070 Status: "I punched that damn leprechaun back." |
Nan, I so get what you mean about everyone wanting to you to know who you are,,,I think that's why they invented bull sh**. I am not the same person from day to day much less from now until eternity. Experiences change us, lots of things change us. And it seems so incredibility stupid for someone to ask us to "pick one and stick with it for 30 years or so. I think maybe that is what Matt is trying to get across to us to some degree. Look how much we have already changed.....Quote
numbr01banana
Alrighty excercise numero uno...yea i know took me long enough right? well lets see, heres what i came up with...
I am a senior in high school
Straight A student
Soccer player
Loving and protective
a great listener
helpful
someone who loves being outside
love music and sketching
ok so not nessicarily what theyre looking for, but its all i got for now...funny everyone seems to want me to know who i am at the moment, the more people ask, the more i decide i have no idea...and sorry rant over
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Re: Book Club Selection – Wishcraft by Barbara Sher June 09, 2009 11:50AM | Admin Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 506 Status: |
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Blue
Wow, Matt, chapter 2 is hard....I thought I had a really good environment....and I did...I knew I was loved. But there were some things expected of me. I would never do anything that would besmirk the family name...(That meant no drinking, carousing, making bad grades, dating people who did any of those things or any other little thing that would make my "upbringing seem less than perfect.) That meant a career choice that would reflect well. In my case, I was to be a nurse. I was smart. Money in the medical field was good...It was a "helping" career....I went to nursing school 1 year and quit. Went into speech therapy.
If I had had the environment described....I'd be an actor/director expert on ancient history and ancient weaponry. I can't believe I just said that....Isn't that bizarre? Mattie, you're making me think....that can be dangerous...
Does any of this make you feel a little disloyal? I do because I know my parents came from really bad circumstances themselves and were doing the best they could for me. They were very successful especially considering their environment..how did that link get broken? I am often too afraid to do anything at all because I might fail.....
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numbr01banana
Alrighty excercise numero uno...yea i know took me long enough right? well lets see, heres what i came up with...
I am a senior in high school
Straight A student
Soccer player
Loving and protective
a great listener
helpful
someone who loves being outside
love music and sketching
ok so not nessicarily what theyre looking for, but its all i got for now...funny everyone seems to want me to know who i am at the moment, the more people ask, the more i decide i have no idea...and sorry rant over
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All variants of “This is what I do for a living, here's where I live, I'm married, not married, I make money, I don’t, I'm so-and-so’s mother, I’m Episcopalian, I’m in school”—the kinds of things we usually tell each other when we meet. When we’ve exchanged these vital statistics, geographical and occupational details, we feel we’ve declared our identities and begun to get to know each other.
Well, we’re wrong.
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Right now I’d like you to do something symbolic. Take that piece of paper on which you answered the question, “Who do you think you are?” Glance through it one more time. Now crumple it up and throw it in the wastebasket.
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GauntletsAngel
I really enjoyed the introduction. I have to admit I started reading it with the image of Rhonda Sher in my head due to the similarity in the names. If you don't remember Up All Night! with Rhonda Sher on USA just imagine the penultimate "bubbly, blonde, bimbo" and go to bed, you probably have school tomorrow. *shakes finger* Okay, so, I failed to get that image out of my head for the remainder of the introduction, but still managed to maintain interest, I've heard/read the assurances of being different from the others a lot, but rarely do you see the difference like I did here. I also loved the little personal input, like quitting smoking twice.
Exercise 1:
I'm a libra and a nutter... wait, that doesn't sound right, does it? (that's as far as I got when our wicked webmistress interrupted my homework.)
Exercise 2:
I was attracted to all kinds of things, but I remember walking around singing constantly, my cousins and I would write plays and act them out together and I've always had a special spot in my heart for marine animals.
I think I experience all of my senses pretty equally, when I'm in a new situation I tend to try and take in as much information as I can.
My secret fantasies and games always came from books and movies. I've wanted to be a marine biologist since the first time I saw Jaws 3, I wanted to be a Navy fighter pilot like Goose from Top Gun, I even wanted to be an FBI Agent for a while, but only if I got to investigate the cool cases like Scully and Mulder... I could go on forever with a list like this. While most of these fantasies have been weeded out by the impossible or impractical, I do still love most of these things. Can't I have a job where I get to try everything at least once?
I have a bit of ability when it comes to writing, but no real talent, I can sing, as long as I can hear my part, and I got a D in Biology, just because the teacher liked me. At my most imaginative I can see a few jobs that might satisfy my lust for life, go ahead and laugh, here they are.
1. Acting. Think of it from the angle that every movie is like living another life, and you can do the impossible. Let's take Tom Cruise for example, he's been everything from a fairy to a CIA operative, bartender to Navy pilot. And he's two inches shorter than the Navy pilot height requirements, I know, I am the same height.
2. Writing. Same as acting, only you have to do it on paper.
3. Photography. If you do it well it can take you anywhere and you can shoot anyone or anything... And it's legal... (Weak,
yes, but it had to be done.)
4. Star in my own reality show and make millions by literally trying as many jobs as I can. (What? She said silly, didn't she..?)
5. Forget jobs, careers and society, find a desert island and learn to live again. :D
Chapter 2:
I'm right there with you on this chapter being a tough one, Blue. Did anyone else find themselves answering yes to most of the questions until a certain age? I remember being small and being told over and over that I could do anything I wanted, that I would be great at it, yadda, yadda, yadda, then I turned 6 and my parents separated and my reality became "that's a job for the rich kids, the pretty girls or the extremely talented."
Exercise 3:
I'm pretty sure that if limits were removed I would have tried many of the jobs I think of as cool by now and would continue to try them until I found my favorite... if that's possible. ...More realistically, I'd probably still be a lot like Crawl from Son-in-Law talking about majoring in one for a couple semesters and something entirely different for my second Freshman year.
Okay, so far, so good. I have to admit I'm actually looking forward to reading more... Of course, this book is also tuning my already high geared wanderlust into an even higher gear, and that's not really a good thing. I want to road trip so bad!
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Blue
I was reading back...I'm really sorry we haven't gone on with this....It looks like we all have a bit in common in what we wanted to do........I'm fortunate in that I am doing something I love with the preschoolers and I am still College...(Master's) Did I mention professional student in my wish list? Matt, I know how busy you are and all this is just a review for you since you've read it, but it is interesting to read what every body has posted. And I love your direction on things...
Re: Book Club Selection – Wishcraft by Barbara Sher June 09, 2009 01:00PM | Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 1,955 Status: "I punched that damn leprechaun back." |
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Nan, I so get what you mean about everyone wanting to you to know who you are,,,I think that's why they invented bull sh**. I am not the same person from day to day much less from now until eternity. Experiences change us, lots of things change us. And it seems so incredibility stupid for someone to ask us to "pick one and stick with it for 30 years or so. I think maybe that is what Matt is trying to get across to us to some degree. Look how much we have already changed.....
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Mattie
Hey, Nan, Blue's right. The point of following along with this one isn't to decide what you want to do 30 years from now (god, *I* don't even know what I want to do 3 months from now! ) Your rant was right on target. From Chapter 1:Quote
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All variants of “This is what I do for a living, here's where I live, I'm married, not married, I make money, I don’t, I'm so-and-so’s mother, I’m Episcopalian, I’m in school”—the kinds of things we usually tell each other when we meet. When we’ve exchanged these vital statistics, geographical and occupational details, we feel we’ve declared our identities and begun to get to know each other.
Well, we’re wrong.
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Right now I’d like you to do something symbolic. Take that piece of paper on which you answered the question, “Who do you think you are?” Glance through it one more time. Now crumple it up and throw it in the wastebasket.
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Mattie
...(DEAN! Have you got the Road Trip stuff ready for G yet??)...
I've backed it up.
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Re: Book Club Selection – Wishcraft by Barbara Sher June 30, 2009 06:54PM | Admin Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 506 Status: |
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Blue
Matt, I finally got the courage the courage to describe me....I was described as quiet (?),self critical,strong in faith,stubborn, fiercely protective, a mediator, accepting until I'm disappointed and then too harsh. unassuming. accommodating. smart, funny and maternal. I can be cold, easily angered. but not for long hate to make mistakes...forgetful..Is that what we needed to do?
A lot of it doesn't match with what I see as me.
Oh, I forgot protected and naive You see, you've fought for what you got....and you went with what you had to to survive..I defied my parents wishes when It seemed really important...(they wanted me to be a nurse...me?) I guess know they'd eventually come around. I had a strict upbringing but it was not a hard one. I almost feel guilty about that. My "independence" didn't come until it had to when my first marriage went South and I learned how naive I was. And I was forced to take care of me. Because I told nobody there were problems until 3 years had passed and I was on my way back to KY.
I didn't get to finish my Masters ( You have to have that to be a speech path in KY) because my dad's health declined...So I worked as a social worker and now am finishing that MS. I guess it's never too late in my mind....
PS...Tucson is one of my favorite places in the world....
Re: Book Club Selection – Wishcraft by Barbara Sher July 01, 2009 08:35AM | Admin Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 1,714 Status: |
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...Just ONE of the dozens of shows going on is the size of 3 football fields. (*ahem* that's American football to anyone from other countries )
Re: Book Club Selection – Wishcraft by Barbara Sher August 14, 2009 01:52PM | Admin Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 506 Status: |
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...Just ONE of the dozens of shows going on is the size of 3 football fields. (*ahem* that's American football to anyone from other countries )
*chuckles* So I've finally taught you to explain American stuff?
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Mattie
Ummmmm, nope.
Re: Book Club Selection – Wishcraft by Barbara Sher October 11, 2009 06:55PM | Admin Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 506 Status: |
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xDeanWinchesterx
That kid's just so persistent in his complaining. And... Alright... Why am I even laughing? That's downright scary how scheming that little demon is.
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There’s only one rule for the kind of imaging you’ll be doing in these next two exercise, and that is no reality considerations! In the world of play, like the world of dreams, there is no law of gravity, no death or taxes—and no irreconcilable conflicts. … In these fantasies you don’t have to do what you were told to do at age 5: “Make up your mind.” You get everything.
Re: Book Club Selection – Wishcraft by Barbara Sher October 21, 2009 03:21PM | Admin Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 506 Status: |
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With pen in hand and as much paper as you need (or a tape recorder if you prefer to dream out loud), take a leisurely walk through a day that would be perfect if it represented your usual days - not a vacation day, not a compromise day, but the very substance of your life as you’d love it to be. Live through that day in the present tense and in detail, from getting up in the morning to going to sleep at night. What’s the first thing you do when you wake up? What do you have for breakfast? Do you make it yourself - or is it brought to you in bed, with a single rose and the morning paper? Do you take a long, hot bath? a bracing cold shower? What kinds of clothes do you put on? How do you spend the morning? the afternoon? At each time of day, are you indoors or outdoors, quiet or active, alone or with people?
As you go through the hours of your fantasy day, there are three helpful categories to keep in mind: what, where, and who.
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numbr01banana
You did say discuss the negative thinking here right? I hope so. . .anywhooo just read it. . .mainly because I've been dying to use your complaint thread for the past couple weeks. . .and now i dont need to. . .funny that is. although when i started reading it i really didnt need to. . .but it still interested me. Sooo I'm liking the fact that she mentioned the laughing at your complaints and such. Ha hopefully I'm not the only one who will be in the middle of an argument or rant and just crack up. . .I've gotta tell ya i get more confused looks doing that than actually "complaining" although that could be because I currently laugh at everything? go figure. Anywho Absolutely loved this chapter of the book. . .and it definitely gives you a lot to think about, good to know that my "negativity" isnt all bad and its always put to good use. . It is nice to know that this isnt just another abnormal flaw that i have though Hopefully I'll get time to read the rest of this book one day.
Re: Book Club Selection – Wishcraft by Barbara Sher February 12, 2010 06:12PM | Admin Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 506 Status: |
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Realhuntress
How did I miss this?
Thanks for suggesting this book. What you've written here has given me lots to think about. So many times we (or at least I) get so used to the status quo that we lose the spark that drives us on to something new. We need to take the time to re-evaluate once in awhile. Which is what I've been doing lately.
Thanks bunches!
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